I think most of us will remember this one, or reading about it, where the Vulcan XA897 was returning from a flag waving exercise, this is the aircraft in which Bomber Command Chief Harry Broadhurst was aboard
Details here http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c9b_1243608489
Why no ejector seats for rear crew members in our V bombers,i believe the Americans had them in their B47s and B52s
That was the day when the phrase "doing a Harry" was coined. Himself used his bang seat, "I'm all right Jack!"
Interesting facts regarding the ejection seat debate On 1 July, 1960 Valiant WP199 took off from RAF Finningley, Yorkshire and set course for the Martin-Baker airfield at Chalgrove, Oxfordshire. The bomber approached the airfield at 1,000 feet and in view of various representatives of the ministry, manufacturers and Royal Air Force, the man in the hot seat4, banged out of the rear compartment, facing backwards. W T 'Doddy' Hay, a civilian tester and part-time guinea-pig for the Martin-Baker company, exited the Valiant in the ejector seat and arced high above the tail of the aircraft. As the seat stabilised under the influence of a trailing drogue parachute, a shackle automatically released, separating him from the seat and deployed his main parachute. He remains to this day the only person to have ejected from the rear compartment of any V-Bomber. The test conclusively proved the viability of rearward-facing ejection.The next day the Daily Express reported the successful test with the headline 'FIRST MAN OUT'. The test had been carried out under restricted conditions without any press invited. The Express reporter had lurked on the airfield and had managed to take an illicit photograph of the ejection which accompanied the scoop headline. Unfortunately the implicit 'first' (of many) was to be proved premature. Only a few weeks later the decision was taken by the Air Ministry not to modify the V-Bombers. The Express relayed the news to the general public with the headline:'BOMBER MEN STAY IN PERIL - BY ORDER'.'In view of the ... considerable time, effort, disruption and cost which would be involved in modifying the aircraft, it has been decided that the provision of ejection seats for rear crew members cannot be justified'.The Express condemned the decision as 'monstrous' and the matter was again raised in the House of Commons on 25 January, 1961. The Conservative Secretary of State for Air, Julian Amery, defended the decision and when responding to a question made the extraordinary statement which almost completely evaded the point at issue:I am advised that the greater number of accidents take place at high altitudes when pilots are able, with their ejector seats, to go on piloting while the rest of the crew escape; they then have the advantage of ejection in the latter phase of the accident. When accidents happen at low level, this is not so easy. The honourable gentleman and I have travelled together in airliners, and in those airliners there were no ejection seats or any other kind of escape apparatus.
kpatchett wrote:'BOMBER MEN STAY IN PERIL - BY ORDER'.'In view of the ... considerable time, effort, disruption and cost which would be involved in modifying the aircraft, it has been decided that the provision of ejection seats for rear crew members cannot be justified'.
'BOMBER MEN STAY IN PERIL - BY ORDER'.'In view of the ... considerable time, effort, disruption and cost which would be involved in modifying the aircraft, it has been decided that the provision of ejection seats for rear crew members cannot be justified'.
While doing crash escape training on Lancasters in 1956, we were told: "when the aircraft stops moving jump out and RUN! Never mind that Hollywood stuff about going back to a burning aircraft to rescue your mate. Remember you cost 'Er Majesty £50,000 on the hoof. Leave the heroics to the crash crew: they only cost a few thousand apiece! Apparently it then cost £50,000 a year to train aircrew. 50 grand for Siggies, 100 grand for Navs, 150 grand for peelots. I guess modifying Vs cost more than a Nav or two and an AE, so long as 300 grand was saved by the two drivers!
....................with Harry Broadhurst driving!
A new post on the old forum here overnight http://www.voy.com/130994/ re this Vulcan prang